tv New Day With Alisyn Camerota and John Berman CNN October 18, 2018 5:00am-6:01am PDT
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saudi royal family are searching for a mutually agreeable explanation of events that led to the apparent murder and dismemberment of jamal khashoggi, a mutually agreeable version that the post says does not implicate the saudi crown prince who happens to be great friends with jared kushner. a mutually agreeable version might prove to be difficult to find since intelligence agencies are convinced of the saudi prince's culpability in khashoggi's murder. does this mutually agreeable mergs verse of events mean a factual version of events? >> i don't want to talk about any of the facts. they didn't want to either in that they want to have an opportunity to complete this investigation in a thorough way. >> we don't want to talk about the facts. the secretary will brief the
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president about his meetings with saudi and turkish leaders. the secretary has been criticized for this, the smiley photo op with the saudi crown prince. sources wanted cnn to know the secretary was tougher behind closed doors and told the crown prince his future as king would be in pearl if he does not own the situation. >> as all of that is happening, robert mueller's investigation is still quietly moving ahead. just to put in perspective for you what's happening because as we know there aren't any leaks in that investigation, mueller's team had nine meetings in the last four weeks with former trump campaign chairman paul manafort and his lawyers. white house insiders expecting more indictments after the midterms with a report likely to be released by the end of the year. and all of this as deputy attorney general rod rosenstein grants a rare interview to "the wall street journal," inviting the paper in and insisting the probe is appropriate and
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independent, going on to say the public will have confidence the cases we brought were warranted. joining us now david chalian, jeffrey tubin and abbie phillip. abbie, i want to start with you because so much of what is happening behind you as the sunrises is going to dictate a lot of what happens today. we're two hours behind this meeting with secretary mike pompeo and the president with this stunning reporting that the u.s. and saudi arabia are essentially trying to figure out what the story should be to put out there publically. >> this is going to be a really important meeting that's happening in a couple of hours. mike pompeo will sit down with the president and tell him what he learned privately in those conversations with the crown prince and with king solomon. what we have heard from our sources was that mike pompeo delivered a message that the saudis need to come up with something over the next couple of days that they can say about what they believe happened.
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and the question will be, does president trump think that is plausible or not? it is going to hinge on whether or not it implicates the crown prince or not. the president has said, if they knew about it, that would change his mind about the situation. now, you know, i would argue that what the crown prince and the saudis are able to come up with is going to be different in some ways from what the turks are learning and what they apparently have in the way of audio recordings or even video of these individuals or what happened inside of the consulate. it is not just going to be what the saudis can come up with. it is also going to be how does that square with what other evidence there is out there. i think the president has a choice to make. does he take the saudi's word for it or decide it is too much for the united states to be implicated in this situation. an apparent mdismemberment insie the saudi consulate that has
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brought implications for foreign policy well beyond the trump administration. >> the secretary will tell the president what he learned. what possibly could he have learned if the secretary of state told us that the saudis didn't want to talk about the facts? that's a stunning statement to have heard from the secretary of state, especially now, given the reporting from the washington post, that the white house and the saudi royal family are trying to cook up a story. a mutually agreeable version of a story that doesn't implicate the crown prince doesn't sound like let's let the facts dictate where we go on this. >> it is certainly not impossible that a mutually agreeable version and a factual version are the same thing, but it is certainly not likely, john. and there should be one version here. that should be the version of the facts of what happened and then the chips should fall where they do. i mean, this is -- we are in a moral authority test here for the president. and you will recall a little
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over a year ago when we were all looking at the terrible incidents in charlottesville, it was pretty much at that point that the president had sort of relinquished the moral authority of his office. that was in a domestic context. then in helsinki with putin in july we saw him an doe kate that moral authority yet again. this is another test. at the moment with talk like that that mike pompeo saying i don't want to talk about facts. we are going to get into a mutually agreed upon story, as you say the washington post is reporting, the president doesn't seem to be passing this current moral authority test either. >> just remember, the administration has decided that we are all in with saudi arabia as a check against iran in the middle east. you know, with all respect to this terrible situation regarding what happened in turkey, the saudi arabian government is in the process of something like genocide in yemen
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that they are killing thousands of people. there is mass starvation. children are dying. so it is not like this is some isolated incident where, you know, it's a departure from the way saudi arabia usually behaves in international relations. they are killing people with abandon in yemen. the moral character of the saudi regime, putting aside how they treat their own people in terms of executions and treatment of women is hardly a mystery here. >> let's strip all of that away for just a minute. we have to get to this mutually agreed upon place. this was 16 days ago that jamal khashoggi walked in to that embassy and never came out. for 16 days they have been trying to figure out what the facts are and what we do on this? there is so much that's been happening for such a long time that has not been checked, right? that they have not been called
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on, perhaps in as forceful a way, at least not in this country. this is also a departure. i wonder how much of that they are trying to deal with. they are trying to game and say how much further can we push this? the u.s. has never pushed us before. what is to say this is different when we have been allowed to string people along for more than two weeks. >> starting with the president's first international trip, which was to saudi arabia and we know about this, you know, this bromance between the prince and, you know, prince jared kushner, they -- you know, this is american foreign policy in saudi arabia. we are all in with them. we are now discovering the implications of being all in with the regime that has absolutely no respect for human rights. >> hey, abbie, where is jared kushner on this? >> witness protection program, i think. >> seriously. jared kushner is supposed to be
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the crown prince whisperer, the guy that has his ear. you think that he would be the face of the administration's pressure campaign on the saudis. >> well, he's falling back. he's fading into the background, at least as far as we can tell publically, and that's intentional. he wants to step back because there is an understanding on his part and also within the white house that it would be damaging for it to be seen that jared kushner was back channelling with mbs on this situation. in the early days of this story, you know, one of the first things we learned was that the crown prince had actually called jared kushner to talk to him about this situation, to sort of pre-spin the saudi perspective on this. on the line was not just jared kushner, but the national security adviser john bolton, a sign early on in this administration that they understood it would be damaging for the saudis to believe that they could back channel their way out of this and that this was a very serious situation. at the same time, you know,
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people around kushner are saying he's still involved privately. he's still trying to push the saudis towards something. but publically he flew up to new york this week. he wasn't even in the white house at some key moments during this. he did not go to saudi arabia with mike pompeo, and he's let the state department take the lead on this because there is a perception problem in this white house when it comes to jared kushner who, as everyone knows, does not have expertise in this issue, using a friendship approach to dealing with what is really a foreign policy crisis. >> i do want to shift gears quickly before we end this. i want to get your take on this. there is this new reporting that we have from our team about nine meetings for paul manafort and his attorneys over the past four weeks. it's only been four weeks since that guilty plea with mueller's team. we're also learning a little bit from rod rosenstein who gave this somewhat remarkable interview to "the wall street
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journal" talking about the investigation, that it was appropriate, that people basically understand and see why they did everything when it comes out. david, politically speaking, what does that do at this point to do that interview and have it come out right now? >> yeah. it is a very odd moment in the rosenstein-trump relationship because clearly there was a big rift and then sort of a patching together at least for the short term. i don't think anybody thinks rod rosenstein is part of this administration looking in the long-term here. but those words, erica, appropriate and independent and that the american people are going to have full confidence. it is the an thit sis of everything trump has been trying to do. this is the exact words.
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if donald trump could dream up how he doesn't want the mueller probe perceived, rod rosenstein exactly gave him those words in the wall street journal interview. >> you are either grunting or smirking in approval, i think? >> as usual, my younger identical twin david chalian is exactly right. it is completely the opposite of what the president has been saying. and, you know, the question is what happens to jeff sessions? what happens to rod rosenstein? and, thus, what happens to robert mueller after the midterms when the president will presumably have a freer hand to dismiss people. i think sessions is gone for sure. i think the president has all but said that. under the structure of the special counsel, rosenstein is the superior, but only because the attorney general is recused. mueller may have a new boss starting very quickly, and that new boss may do the president's bidding and get rid of him.
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things will change. how they will change after the election, that's why we're in the news business. we'll find out. >> that and to spend time with people like you. thank you very much. we do want to get some breaking news in the investigation into the disappearance and apparent murder of a washington post columnist. we are getting newly released surveillance images which capture a saudi intelligence officer in istanbul on the day jamal khashoggi vanished after entering that saudi consulate. i want to our chief international reporter live with these breaking details. >> reporter: that's right. so turkish media has released what it purports to be surveillance photo images of this man. he is one of the infamous 15 saudi nationals who flew in on the day of the disappearance. what they show, the first one
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shows him arriving at the consulate just about 9:55 a.m., so just before 10 a.m. and the second image shows him leaving the console general's residence. presumably the turkish authorities believe the murder took place in the hours before that second photograph was captured. the third image from surveillance footage shows him checking out of his hotel in istanb istanbul. he had checked in for three days, but when checked out suddenly in the afternoon. and then the fourth photograph shows him arriving at the airport around 6:00 p.m. we then know that he got on the first of two planes that went back to saudi arabia. what's interesting specifically about all of this, erica, is the man who appears in this surveillance footage.
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he is, as you mentioned, a colonel in the intelligence services. he is a former diplomat, part of the circle of the crown prince. he has been photographed many times with the crown prince. turkish authorities hearsaying they expect their side of the investigation to wrap soon. john? >> and again, this is what makes it so stunning that the united states and saudi arabia askordiaskord i -- according to the washington post looking for a way to explain that doesn't implicate saudi arabia. thank you so much for your reporting on this. it is very, very important. "the new york times" reporting in addition to all of this that u.s. intelligence agencies increasingly convinced that the saudi crown prince is culpable in khashoggi's apparent murder. we're going to get the reaction from a congressman who met with the crown prince next.
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in less than two hours, mike pompeo will brief president trump about the apparent murder of journalist kamal khashoggi. despite reports that u.s. intelligence is increasingly sure that the crown prince is culpable in murder. joining us now is republican congressman scott taylor, the congressman that has recently visited with the saudi rulers.
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thanks so much for being with us. "the new york times" reports that the crown prince is increasingly culpable. what do you think? >> i'm interested to hear what the secretary brought back. i think we should be caution in terms of waiting to see what comes out of it. i know there is a lot of reporting out there and it doesn't look good. that's for certain. but i think it is important we find out what happened from the secretary's point of view and from his visit and coupled with u.s. intelligence in terms of what happens next. >> do you trust the saudis in their denials this morning? >> i don't think it looks good at this moment. i really don't. but like i said, i want to make sure -- i want to hear from the president. i think it's important also for the executive branch to come to congress with what they believe happened, of course. i think that's very important because you have bipartisan angst and outrage, quite frankly, in congress about
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what's going on. >> we have heard a lot from the president on this. he's been asked about it every day. and what he consistently says is we sell a lot of arms to saudi arabia and the saudi king denies he knew about it the crown prince denies he knew about it. that's what he's been telling us. >> it is not that simple in terms of just the arms. there is a lot more that goes into this, as you very well know. there are a lot of delicate diplomatic relations and implications. this is not a good situations. this is an international crisis. but it is much more than just arm sales with saudi arabia. there is diplomatic ties, allies in the region, interests that align with america and our other allies in the region. i think we have to be cautious and hear from the president. i know the president has been asking a lot of questions as
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well. >> look, this is absolutely important. i get that. but where do you see human rights playing into this? how important should human rights be to the united states? >> it's extremely important. there is no question about it. look, once we figure out all the details, i think there should be consequences. >> what kind? what kind of consequences? >> it is too early for me to say anything at this moment, just to speculate on whether it's sanctions or whatever it might be. i do want to know what happened. i think everyone wants to know what happened. i think there is international pressure to make sure there is consequences about this violent murder against journalists and to make sure this type of thing doesn't happen again on the international stage. but it's just too early for me to say exactly what that looks like and what that is. >> when you read in "the washington post," which is in some ways your local hometown
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paper. when you see the post reporting that the white house and the saudi regime are trying to come up with a mutually agreeable explanation for how this journalist was apparently killed, what does that say to you? a mutually agreed upon explanation. >> well, i haven't read that specific article, so i just don't -- i don't know if that is the case or if that's true or not. i have no idea. but like i said, i want to know the truth. i think it is important for the world to know the truth and there is international pressure to do so. >> but you wouldn't shout the do door on sanctions, would you? >> i think anything is on the table at this point. >> and the arms deal, would you be comfortable continuing to sell them arms if they were ordering the murder of journalists? >> i think everything is on the table at this moment. i want to hear more information and the actual facts.
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it is irresponsible to comment on that right now. >> when you were in saudi arabia not too long ago, what did you take away from your meetings with saudi leaders? >> i think it is important to understand that i met with mbs and the king as well. it is important to understand that the crown prince has a lot of power there. there is no question about it. and that he has tried to reform society in some ways. but the king still remains sovereign. the king still has the most power there. so again when we figure out what potentially happened here, we do have to understand that the king at this moment has the final say, for example, with the potential privatization of saudi aramco, which was the crown prince's project, but the king put the kabash on it. >> you are in the midst of a tough re-election battle for your seat. and you are dealing with an investigation into allegations that four of your campaign
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staffers and advisers forged signatures to get a third party candidate on the ballot in november. no one is accusing you personally of being involved in forging signatures. but are you conducting an internal investigation at all into what happened here? >> obviously, i can't respond to a comment on some things, but the reality is if someone did something wrong, they will be held accountable and they should be. i have full confidence that the truth will come out. if someone did something wrong, they will be held accountable for it. >> on august 6th you said if anyone in my campaign did anything that was wrong, inappropriate or something like that, i would fire them in a second. you even said that your closest advisers, who i wouldn't want to fire, but i would. so roll call has taken a look at your financial disclosures. up until at least mid-september that these four individuals who are being investigated were still being paid by your
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campaign. >> again, i can't completely comment on everything as you very well know. but the reality is as soon as we found out that anything was wrong, which of course i didn't know about anything that was wrong by anyone in my campaign. we immediately fired senior staff and no one who has been involved in that at all with my wrongdoing is still in my campaign. so that's as much as i can comment of course because there are legal -- there is a legal investigation into any wrongdoing from former campaign staff. >> you are not the subject of this investigation. but why is it they were paid up until a few weeks ago if on august 6th you said they would be fired immediately. >> we took action immediately in our campaign to fire senior staff when it happened. there no longer is anyone who had any implication in wrongdoing with the campaign whatsoever. but we looked forward to finishing strong and winning this race. >> thanks so much for being with
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president trump with a statement moments ago about what he calls a caravan of migrants traveling towards the united states. the president is threatening to send the u.s. military to the u.s.-mexico border and close it. the president clearly wants to make the issue of illegal immigration an issue in the upcoming midterm elections, which are just 19 days away. joining us now, former housing secretary and former san antonio mayor. he has written a book out now called "an unlikely journey, waking up from my american dream." he also says he is a likely candidate for president. let me ask you about the president's comments. sending troops to close the
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southern border, this comes after a washington post report that the number of migrants crossing the border in september at a high. >> yeah. the president continues to fear monger around the issue of immigration. you know, he knows we're 19 days away from an election, and he's trying to use this issue to pump up his base. unfortunately, he hasn't shown he has any real solutions to the challenge of immigration. i believe that we can have effective border security and enforcement and also treat people humanely. one of the worst things that's happened in these last 18 months has been the basically state sponsored child abuse of young kids at the border. this family separation policy. so this example today of what he says is a caravan, you know, he's picking that and he's trying to make an issue of it to pump up his base.
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i think that the american people can see through that. >> there may be a political element. there almost surely is. but if the washington post numbers are accurate that the september numbers jumped as much as they did, isn't there something going on causing that increase? >> what it shows is that his policy has been totally ineffective, that he's been a total failure on this issue. >> what he would say is that's because the democrats won't let me do more. they won't let me build a wall. >> when the republicans control congress, he controls the white house. his administration has been a total failure when it comes to the issue of immigration. he thought he was going to deter people by cruelly taking away their children. they said that's why they did the policy. he said that that would lead to less folks trying to come across, and it has failed. we tried it his way. it's failed. now i think we should try it a smart way. >> what's the smart way? >> in the long-term what we need
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to do is that we need to forge the kind of alliances in central and south america that we spent post world war the forging in places like europe, the very alliances he's trying to tear down right now. but we have never, as the united states, invested the time and energy in a long-term way in helping to make sure that we can avoid issues like this because people can be safe in whether it's guatemala or honduras or el salvador. >> one of the things that's interesting is that people looking at the last few months have said, oh, well, the president's border policy will upset latino americans in the united states. our polling just hasn't shown that. as we look at a lot of the midterm polls, latinos in texas are not coming out in the numbers they need to. we're seeing the same thing in florida and california. how can you explain that?
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>> i think there are two elements to that. first in the breakdown of support, i believe that latinos will overwhelmingly support democratic candidates. but the participation level, the percentage that go to the polls, not just in this election cycle but for many of them, has not been where we like it to be. and i believe the best way to change that is with a massive and sustained effort to register and to turn out latino voters and that that can't be the job of a few candidates, and it can't just be done six months before an election. it has to be a constant effort. and until that's done, i'm not convinced that you are going to see a huge change in those numbers. >> congressman steve king of iowa has talked in the past about you and your brother, who is a congressman for texas. and last week he says on twitter, two texas politicians, the castro wins, they took spanish lessons to qualify as
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retro active hispanics. how do you respond to the congressman? >> he said that a couple days before i went into his district to help support j.d. shultan who actually has a chance of winning. and politicians, when they know they're in trouble, what they try and do is distract folks. how many times have folks seen that a politician, they want to talk about everything else except what the problem is. for steve king, what the problem is is that right now a lot of the farmers and other folks in his district are worried because donald trump's erratic trade war is hurting them, and he has stood idly by while trump has done this. and those constituents are looking at j.d. as a good alternative. he gets worried. he does what he usually does. he throws in this bigotry. what i say to steve king is we'll see you on november 6th. >> he's essentially saying you
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are not a real hispanic and you are not taking the bait. >> i'm confident in what i am. steve king is trying to distract people. so i don't think we need to focus on that. we should focus on his record. >> what's interesting, you juxtaposed that with what elizabeth warren just did. she took dna tests. how do you assess that from a political maneuver? do you think that was effective? >> it's unfortunate that he felt like she had to do that because the president has been terrible in, i think, smearing her reputation. you know, she never should have been put in that posititpositio. it's also significant because president trump started his political career with that birth certificate issue. this is another form of that. >> do you think it was helpful for democrats for her to do that 25 days before the election. >> i don't think it's here or there right now to talk about
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that. what we need to recognize is whether it's the president that's calling a woman horseface or embracing that birther issue against the first african-american president a few years ago or calling senator warren pocohantas. >> i want to ask you one story. i look at you and your brother as an example of how they might reach adulthood without going to prison. there's a slim chance. >> that's a low bar. >> you have a story about the dispute resolution you would have with your brother, which is you would stand across from each other and punch each other in the shoulders for a long time and compare bruises? >> yeah. when you're twins and boys, you are going to be fighting a lot. you are fighting for who is going to get to watch what on tv or who will eat the last burger or whatever. in order to avoid like killing
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each other, we had to come up with some way to, you know, fairly resolve our disputes. we would stand there sometimes for an hour taking turns hitting each other as hard as we could on the shoulder. my shoulder is probably still bruised because of that. but we came up with our own way, and for those -- if you have twins or if folks who are twins will know it is a very wonderful and special relationship. a lot of times better than that, you know. >> i just love that. the castro fight club. and i'm glad my boys are already in school and not watching it. appreciate it. the gop tax cut helps to send the deficit soaring. how the president wants to help make up that difference.
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with our european allies, the nature of the nato alliance, the history and the founding of european union and why it is that the united states has such an important leadership role in the transatlantic. this whole shift of value based language on u.s. priorities and the u.s. mission to this kind of transactional relationship that he seems more comfortable with made me uncomfortable as his personal representative. that's the job of an ambassador, besides representing your country, you are the president's personal representative. so he's the president. he gets to lead. he gets to call the policy, so i stepped out of the way. >> because you weren't comfortable with where that policy was going. you also write, arrogance does not suit us well. america first is a sham. the president could offer you pushback in saying, look, i'm
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changing the way things are done because it was not working. look at nato. members are going to pay more. those are wins in his book. so maybe this is a way to change things moving into this century. >> the whole subject of nato burden sharing goes back many, many decades, as a matter of fact. the alliance in 2014 had come to an agreement in response to russia. there is a responsibility and a premium that comes with the leadership role. and anyone in the business world understands that to have a controlling stake in a company makes it more valuable and perhaps cost you a lot r mamore. but it is worth more. the peace and prosperity that europe enjoys, that the transatlantic enjoys came at a price. i think it is well worth that price. it is true that the united
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states has paid more than its proportional share, but i would submit we get more out of it. >> you think we should have stayed with the status quo in that respect. >> i was ambassador in astonia, which has always contributed. that's the way the president talks about nato. it is almost as if it is some sort of apartment building that he owns and that everybody owes rent. that's not the way it works, and i believe he knows that. >> i want to get your take on what we're seeing today. you also write in this piece for the washington post that you wanted to use your voice to advocate policies more in accord with our history, our values, the global good. >> right. >> we see a picture of secretary mike pompeo smiling next to the crown prince in saudi arabia. "the new york times" this morning reporting that u.s. intelligence is increasingly concerned that mbs is culpable here when it comes to the
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apparent murder of jamal khashoggi. when you see that image, when you see the way things have been playing out between the president and saudi arabia, is this in accord with our history, our values, global good? >> no. i would say it's not. first of all, i don't understand why it's the united states that should be playing a part in the cleaning up of this mess that was created completely by the saudis. and, you know, there is an old latin maxim: let justice be done even though the truth may fall. i think it calls for an independent commission to find out exactly what happened. it would be a necessary first step. leaving it to the saudis to investigate is ridiculous. >> based on your 30 plus years of experience, what is the u.s. standing right now? how is the u.s. viewed around the world diplomatically? >> it is a bit like walking on egg shells for a diplomat to
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seems cowardly to me. you wouldn't have done it. do you have any idea of who may have done it? >> no idea whatsoever. no idea. i doubt very much it was a career foreign service officer, though. >> thank you for taking the time to join us today. new developments in the apparent murder of a washington post journalist. we have that next. check out the engine lineup ford is cooking up for the ford f-150. you want the most torque? you got it. you want the best towing. all yours. or maybe you want best-in-class fuel economy. no problem. or how about brand spankn' new diesel? sure. you want fries with that? crazy. it's like a power smorgasbord. this is the ford f-150. it doesn't just raise the bar, pal. it is the bar. face the world as a face to be reckoned with. ar, pal. only botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make moderate to severe frown lines, crow's feet and forehead lines
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all right. good morning, everyone. 9:00 a.m. eastern. >> after sending mike pompeo on a fact finding mission, president trump is about to hear the results. mike pompeo due in the oval office in the next hour, amid continued denials from the saudis regarding the fate of jamal khashoggi. the president insists, and i quote, i want to find out what happened. and he predicts we will probably know by the end of the week. >> already we know that mike pompeo wasn't just finding facts. he was delivering messages and apparently firm ones. sources tell us that the secretary told the saudi crown prince point blank that he had to, quote, own the khashoggi situation. and his own standings a future king depends on it. that's far different from anything mike pompeo or the president have ever said in
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